Wednesday, 12 December 2007

A response to Nick Griffin and Simon Darby from Ian Dawson

Whatever failings that Mark Collett, Dave Hannam and John Walker have (and they are both numerous and serious) – the buck, Nick, stops with you.

You are the person who could have dealt with the issues years ago in the case of Mark Collett, and at least 18 months ago in the case of our woefully inept Treasury Department. For years, trusted Nationalists of the highest calibre such as Scott McLean, Doc Edwards, Kenny Smith, Sadie Graham and many more have explained to you the fact that Mark Collett is a massive liability, and more recently that the Treasury Department is ‘not fit for purpose’. For years you have brushed it all under the carpet and even gone out of your way to defend the indefensible on every occasion. Not only that, yet everyone who has criticised Mark Collett have ended up sacked, forced to resign, or marginalised.

Your response to people leaving has always been the same – you can’t bear to see people leave with their pride and reputation intact. Thus, consequently you try to blacken the name of anyone who criticises Mark Collett, or your general running of the Party.

Your response this time is that you have been betrayed. What utter nonsense. You have betrayed the members, yet more importantly, the activists who make up this Party, by your actions. Betrayal is felt on both sides, as I for one feel bitterly betrayed by you at this moment in time. However, I can sleep at night as I tell the truth, something that you seem to have trouble with.

I will respond point by point. Which far-left websites were used for washing dirty linen? None. You included this smear to make it look like people were cavorting with the reds, when in reality you know this is simply not the case. An independent blog was set up with the best long terms interests of the Party at heart (a Party without Mark Collett and including competent Treasury Officials). This only after every other method of reasoning had failed and you had told both Sadie & Kenny that they would be sacked if they exposed Mark Collett to you once more. People should know that every avenue was gone through yet every time you were having none of it. No-one had any contact whatsoever with the far-left and you know this. You only mention it as it puts a seed of doubt in people’s minds, just by the fact that you mention it.

For years the same Communist Thugs that you mention have had a great time of it – all they have had to do is sit back and watch the damage done by Mark Collett time and time again. Another good Nationalist has left because of Collett, and another, and another. Oh, there goes Mark saying something else horrific and on camera. There goes Mark being abusive and threatening to get someone else killed again. By refusing to deal with this issue it is you who have given aid and comfort to the Communist Thugs, not a blog trying to expose the situation.

Also, was it not you, on your blog, that labelled all those who supported Chris Jackson as ‘vermin’? Why was this? Because they had the audacity to think that internal democracy was a good thing? Because they signed his nominations papers supporting his right to stand against you in an election? Why suggest that 10% of the Party are vermin, in public, just because they did not vote for you?

Thanks for the comment about good work done – I’d like to add that it is on a local, regional and national level. Not that doing local and regional work seems to count for anything in your eye’s (it certainly does in mine). I spent every waking hour doing local, regional or national work for the BNP, as anyone who knows me will testify.

I worked for Excalibur before I went travelling, then upon returning from travelling I ‘worked’ for the BNP part time (this was unpaid) while living off £100 a week working on a farm. I was then taken on full-time for the Party, earning £14,400 (I always think it is better to be open with finances) per annum. This did not include the costs of buying and maintaining a car (bar fuel costs) doing 30,000 miles a year for the Party. This is probably the lowest full-time wage in the Party. Like you I have a good degree, a very good one in fact, so to say that I have not made a sacrifice is pathetic. Add to that the fact that previous work for the BNP does not make my chances of getting a good job in the future very promising then I think it is fair to say that for someone of only 25 years, I have sacrificed a hell of a lot, and will continue to do so for the Cause.

If doing a good job is ‘what is expected of someone on a full time wage’ then great, I agree entirely. My only question is “Why then sack Sadie and Kenny and not Dave Hannam, John Walker and Mark Collett”? Surely you would sack those not doing a job well, and praise those who are doing a job well? I find it therefore strange that you have to constantly plug Dave Hannam and Mark Collett specifically, in every blog that you write, while you have sacked two of the most professional people in the BNP.

Your claim about there not being checks and balances in place regarding employees and sub-contractors looks bad on you, no-one else; after all you are in charge of organising the Party, or at least appointing someone with the relevant expertise to handle these things. I don’t think working 70 hours a week + for a pittance is really a soft ride, though I leave that for everyone else to decide, after all opinions may vary.

Your next statement about a ‘palace coup’ is obviously a figment of your imagination. If trying to bring sensible people back onto the AC is a ‘palace coup’ then you are obviously paranoid. It is in fact an excuse drawn up by you and your South African State Intelligence Department to justify the expulsion of leading, well respected, National officials who have had enough of seeing the Party stagnate due to internal failings (Treasury) and a millstone around our neck (Mark Collett) that you, for a reason known only to you and those protected by you, refuse to confront.

I was only young when the National Front split so I can’t comment on that. However, asking people betrayed by you to shut up and sit down due to their age is ironic when you consider that some of those who have resigned over the ‘odious clique of Hannam, Walker and Collett’ are many years older than you.

The big picture can be seen Nick, clearly in fact. The London Elections are massive, as are the European Elections, and we must have a Party with an internal structure capable of fighting them properly. That is why I and many other good Nationalists are taking this stand. We want to see the BNP run properly and not like a little boys club where some people are ‘untouchable’ and some are forced out for exposing it.

Now onto the most disgusting piece of all – the comment about an email obtained from Sadie Graham’s personal computer, which was stolen from her property over the weekend. That’s correct, your henchmen entered Sadie Graham’s home after deceiving her friend to give them the key. They then took away Sadie’s personal belongings and they are now being trawled though by who? Your South African Intelligence Department? I now expect to see many emails posted up (why did Simon Darby post that up on the web – is he looking though the computer or was it to give you more credence if another ‘big-name’ was seen to be backing you up?) - though I would be amazed if they had not been doctored or amended to say just whatever you want them to say. Of course, that will now no doubt be the plan of action. Anyone else who has criticised you better watch out, as it may be their computer next that is stolen, or house that is bugged. I can’t see how any BNP member or Official could ever trust you again. What will the next email say that gets posted on Simon Darby’s blog? Sadie emailing Kenny Smith or I saying how she would love to be the next leader and shouldn’t we all kick you out blah blah blah. Ultimately you can write what you want now, though duping people into believing it is a different matter.

Let us examine the email that was posted in a little detail. Dave Hannam has once again messed up the accounts. After months of reporting these mistakes, Sadie has three options. She can either not give them to her units, in which case they would not get a print out of their account. Or, she could make up out of thin air what they should really say and present them to everyone with biro on them, hoping to have got them right when only Dave Hannam has the info needed to make them right. Lastly, she could say “Well I’ll hand them out anyway so everyone else knows that Dave Hannam is the one to take the blame, not me, as I have done nothing wrong, then maybe everyone will realise how frustrating it is to have to work alongside such incompetence”. I think we would all go for option three, especially after putting up with such mistakes for 18 months.

So there you have it Nick, my honest thoughts on the matter. You have wanted Sadie & Kenny out for a while now, I guess temporarily you have got that, yet neither they nor I, nor the many other local, regional and national officials and Councillors who have resigned in protest, are going to give up the fight. The fight that is for an open, honest, accountable BNP, that is both moral and efficient.

I’ll leave you with one of Mark Collett’s comments from just one of his infamous documentaries:
"When people say that I am evil, yeah I am. But it all depends. I'm either the sweetest angel or the most evil being you've ever encountered. It just depends which side you push me. Never kill people. Push them to the point of despair where they do it themselves because that's when you've really won."

Nick, enough is enough.

175 comments:

Anonymous said...

Bloody hell that is to the point. Though it is all true - look at all the good people who have left:

Doc Edwards
Wendy Russell
Sadie Graham
Kenny Smith
Angela Clarke
Warren Bennett
Scott McLean
Ian Dawson
Chris Beverley
Steve Blake

All due to Collett and all bad mouthed, to various degrees, by Griffin.

Libertas said...

I'm speechless. What can be added to what he has already said. This dark week has enable the true patriots to shine.

Libertas said...

I notice the Doc has added his name to the list on the front page!!!! Good on you Doc!!!!!

Mark Wain said...

Well said Ian.

Anonymous said...

With Collett gone, the BNP would be one step closer towards British people having no shame in voting BNP.

Collett is a vile, cowardly millstone around the neck of this party. He is the living embodiment
of every caricature the reds use to vilify us. With Collett gone the reds would be impotent.

Come on Nick, send out a message and rid us of this burden.

Anti-gag said...

Ian,

All you say may well be (and probably is) true, but hold off until we see what Nick can come up with to broker a compromise. You are going to have to work with a lot of these people again very soon I hope, and least said soonest mended so to speak.

As its chairman Nick Griffin leads the British National Party, he may well of made mistakes, but give a chance to right those mistakes before destroying all hope of a reconciliation.

Most of us voted for Nick just a few months ago. Three weeks ago I applauded loudly after his closing speech at the Blackpool conference. Surely now we can’t have lost all faith in the man in a few days, don’t burn your bridges. Nick must know that listening to the membership is not giving in to blackmail, rather its democracy in action.

Step back, count to ten, and let’s wait a day or two. During that time contact people like; Simon Darby, Nick Cass and others to see what can be done with good will on both sides.

Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Anti-gag said...

And I'll spend the next few days on a much needed basic Englsh course!

After I reread my last posting, I counted 3 basic grammatical mistakes, and one word missing.

Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Anonymous said...

Now that is what you call a response! Heartfelt and every point covered. Very well done you articulated what many of us wanted to say in a reasonable manner and put a few red herrins and myths to bed into the bargain.

Nice one.

Anonymous said...

Guys and Girls.

Pull yourselves together. An organisation fighting from within is a spent force. This is ridiculous.

Whatever your differences put them to one side and re-unite, focus and let's get back on the front-line.

We will lose the battle and the war if we cannot fight side by side.

How many young kids died side by side in the trenches in WW1? Did they have differences? Of course they bloody did, yet they gave their lives. All you have to lose is a bit of bloody pride.

Whatever your cause (right or wrong), you made a mess of it.

Now for all of our sakes, shut up, end this site, stop posting on SearchBlight and Lancaster UAD, and get your heads back in gear.

Re-unite, re-organise and get back on the front line where you are needed!

It's always sad to lose a good soldier in battle, but for the soldier to turn that gun on his own and then shoot himself in the head is even worse.

Sort it the hell out and get back on board people!

I will remain anonymous, but believe me I am dealing with the consequences of this pathetic nonsense big time!

Aberdeen Patriot said...

Well said Ian, I wish I could have put it into such good words. You have hit the nail on the head.

Anti-gag you are one true gent but we have to make this stance. We are not attacking anyone, just telling the truth, for the benefit of the party.

Its the three stooges who have been attacking for years, we want that stopped.

Its up to Nick, Or should I say its up to the membership to decide what needs to happen.

Do they want an honest BNP or a lying cant be trusted BNP...

Mark Wain summed up Ians post very well.

This is a fight good over bad, with the strong characters in on the good side. It maybe resemble a mid-day shoot out but it needs to happen, the crossroads has been reached,,, people need to decide what side they are on. The corrupt or the honest.... Which side do you think will appeal to the voters.
The list is growing and growing and I know more will be following suit...

Anti-gag I know you will come down on the side of the ones telling the truth. Support them now.

Aberdeen Patriot said...

anon you cant fight a war on the front line if the heavy artillery of Collet, Hannam, and Walker keep shelling their own troops.

It needs to stop, you should be asking them to go for the good of the BNP.... I know that all the names on the list would do that if they knew it would help the BNP and save our country...

Would the three do that. NO

Anonymous said...

Sadie,

I promise you one thing.

If you are truly a patriot, you will end this blog right now.

For fucks sake the enemy are having a field day.

Make a stand, do the right thing. If you have one shred of credibility to back your claims of being true to the cause you will end this now.

Ever heard of a lovers tiff, this is not much more. You will regret the damage you are causing only when it is too late.

Trust me, do it for yourself - end this shit now, for the good of the cause, the good of the bnp, the good of our country, the good of my kids and for your own self pride and integrity!

You are a bright girl - do the right thing!

Anonymous said...

Good post Ian
You can't have any more clarity than that.

Chris there is no compromise now,certainly not one from Griffin.

He is finished and the sooner people realise that the better

Long live the real BNP

Aberdeen Patriot said...

To the anon posters the UAF are not the enemy yes they are a pain in the arse, they are pathetic, the real enemy are the ones who hold the party back i.e messers Collet, Hannam, and Walker. Our war is winning votes and I am sure we will get a lot more once these three have gone.

I dont give a shit what the Uaf say or write they are scumbags who would never be on the front line.

We want to make sure that our troops are worthy of wearing the cap badge. Collet Hannam and Walker would have been weeded out at basic training and dumped.

Anonymous said...

This is my last post here. By posting here only fuels the opposition.

Sadie, Steve, Kenny and Co...

You are decent people, you are needed on the frontline. Take this arguement to the boardroom and close the door behind you!

Show your strength and do the decent thing. Talk face to face out the glare of the publid eye - you will get more support, sympathy, credence and credibilty!

Face the enemy head on! Whoever you perceive to be your enemy!

Danny Lake said...

Spot on Ian!

Anonymous said...

a point i would like to mention. a friend of mine was convinced there was somebody leaking information from the bnp,he asked me to do a bit of undercover work to unravel certain mysteries,things like why were lancaster uaf already posting the full events of this years RWB at 3am the following morning.and meetings across various regions were also being leaked to the uaf and certain parts of the media.out of my enquiries one name came back several times and this name is quite high in your chain of command.i believe sadie graham and kenny smith are totally INNOCENT in this whole affair and have been stiched up like a kipper.you should be looking more closely at the ACCUSERS

Anonymous said...

does anyone intend to start a "we the undersigned" online petition,after all in last months members bulletin people not happy with thier organiser or regional organsier were advised to contact head office with their concerns.

has Nick gone insane? said...

Nick you are going insane!
one only has to watch the closing of your Brighton speach, where you are clearly insecure and paranid.

now you will say that parnoia was justified, but it wasnt.

Sadie and Co were not attacking you they were attacking Collect and Co.

almost NOBODY wanted to see Nick Griffin gone as the leadership election showed - so why the paranoia?

because you have selected 3 team members Collett and Co including South Africans who are holding back the party.

NOBODY but you wants them there and this is a continuing source of friction splits and paranoia, so you have stabbed everybody in the back and kicked them out to make sure you have your sycophants by your side protecting your position.

but that is the irony, they have undermined your position and weakend you. to the point that people are leaving and setting up blogs.

Nick we love you but its time you settled the issue deal with collett an Co and move the party forward.

the reds have a greater sense of how we could really move forward then you at this current time, as what they would really fear is Collett and Co gone and a BNP team that is united, with many good people comming back into the fold.

admit that you have made staffing mistakes and have become self destructive and paranoid and you will see the solution.

save the BNP Nick dont destroy it.

Bill Henderson said...

Well, politics is the name of the name here, and since, it seems, that Griffin fired the first shot, it must be presumed that he had evaluated in minute detail all the possible outcomes, consulted the augers and prayed to the Gods of War before finalizing his battle plan.

He probably flipped briefly through his Spengler and spent a little more time reviewing Imperium by Ulick Varange (real name: Francis Parker Yockey) particularly chapter IV and having decided that his cause was Just, chances of a Strategic Victory in Battle excellent and that the potential Political Gains (increase in Power) far outweighed any Political Losses (loss of Power), he ordered his commanders to "Let the Battle Commence"

I would imagine that those of you who have any political aspirations will be firmly grounded in Spengler, Yockey and their ilk. For those who have not read them, I highly recommend them.

However, who was it who said "Every Battle Plan is perfect until the First Shot is Fired"?

Griffin's war is going badly, more from a Political (Power) point of view than a Strategic angle, though. He may still win the Strategic War.

However, regardless of whether or not he wins the Tactical War, his Political Power has already lost, and will continue to lose credibility with the BNP membership and the Electorate.

And loss of Political Power spells the end of Politicians. (ask Churchill)

And Griffin knows it. He has consulted his advisors (if any) and spent 24 to 48 hours telephone canvassing and cajoling BNP officials for support and come to the conclusion that he's in trouble.

Hence offers to "conciliate, negotiate, reconcile or just simply do the "kissy-kissy" thing and make up.

One never initiates negotations from a position of strength. From Strength one demand Complete Surrender or at best Capitulation.

Ergo Griffin is fighting for his Political Life.

It is up to the "Revolutionaries" now.

Reconcile and Griffin Wins and their Power diminishes whilst Griffin's at least remains as it was, or more probably increases. And don't think he doesn't know this. Neither will he hesitate to use it. Even more Ruthlessly than he did a couple of days ago.

I do not know Sadie, but have met Nick a couple of times although I'm sure he would not remember me. So I have no axe to grind one way or the other personality wise - this is just a simple assessment based on the situation as it stands today.

Just as a sort of footnote though, when, a couple of years ago, if I remember correctly, they were scouting around for a financial/accounting type guy, I offered to take the job, for which, shamefully promoting myself here, I am much more than adequately qualified, I was not even accorded the courtesy of a reply.

EnoughIsEnough said...

Anonymous said...

This is my last post here. By posting here only fuels the opposition.

Sadie, Steve, Kenny and Co...

You are decent people, you are needed on the frontline. Take this arguement to the boardroom and close the door behind you!

Show your strength and do the decent thing. Talk face to face out the glare of the publid eye - you will get more support, sympathy, credence and credibilty!

Face the enemy head on! Whoever you perceive to be your enemy!

Kenny, Sadie, Nicholla, Matt and Steve have been booted out of the so called boardroom because they tried to sort the situation out in private for the last 3 years!
This blog and the resignation from office of so many people in the know i.e. officials and Cllrs, who have had to deal with these three scumbags should show you the strength of feeling about this.
It is not about personality clashes or a power grab. It is about making Griffin sit up and listen to those have presented the evidence to him - and much stronger evidence than has ever been produced here. For years he has not just ignored the problem, he has protected the problem and now instead of taking the opportunity to sort it out he has sacked good people and gone public with his hatred of people who stood up and spoke out within the party structure. In his anger he even exposed the fact he ordered the bugging of officials homes, the raiding of these homes, the theft of their personal possessions and the intimidation of pregnant women.
Since then he and his cohorts have been frantically phoning round the country telling lies about the people he has forced out. Some olive branch!

Forseti said...

Bill Henderson wrote: "Just as a sort of footnote though, when, a couple of years ago, if I remember correctly, they were scouting around for a financial/accounting type guy, I offered to take the job, for which, shamefully promoting myself here, I am much more than adequately qualified, I was not even accorded the courtesy of a reply."

Griffin and co did not want anyone competent in the Treasury Department who might spot their dodgy dealings that led to the £17,000 hole in the accounts, for which Griffin has now blamed Kenny Smith.

its good to talk said...

i think a kissy kissy with some compromises on both sides is better than a splitty splitty!
we can make a breakthrough at the GLA lets unite.

collett is history, all eyes are watching him - next gaff and he is gone. wont take long.

Sadie and crew arrange that metting get some democracy and some concessions and get back to the real war.

Anonymous said...

There is no £17k hole. They have receipts but they are just not using them to smear Kenny. Come on Kenny, I know you don't want to air too much in public but this will instantly clear your name.

Anonymous said...

Don't reveal your hand yet Kenny. They haven't even explained what they are accusing you of. Just hang fire, you have the moral high ground and it is well known you are a stickler over finances. You take in thousands for this party and you save this party thousands.

Don't get goaded into revealing internal stuff. Griffin and co went public with your expulsion and have been using stuff that was not and should not have been known outside even a limited few within the party. We all know this blog only used stuff in the public domain. Don't let them drag you down. Your the best Administrator this party has ever had and don't you forget it!

Ex BNP Security said...

collett is history, all eyes are watching him - next gaff and he is gone. wont take long.

These expulsions were triggered by Griffin giving the go ahead for Collett and Hannam to get verbal warnings. He didn't realise the new Central Management Team knew about their final warnings and so when they recommended their expulsion last week (4th/5th Dec) Griffin exploded and turned on Sadie and Kenny instead. Griffin has defended the indefensible for years with Collett.

impossible demands said...

enoughisenough

what is your aim now?

you want shot of Collett etc i presume yet you also want the little matter of this blog ignored.

you have put Griffin in a corner at this moment in time.

if he now sacks collett he appears weak and open to political blackmail.

if he brings you back he also appears weak, for not removing people plotting against Griffins staff.

so what are his options?

he could bring you guys back and not sack collett.

for you this is a victory. why?

because Collett will have wanted shot of you and now you will be back in the party and all eyes will be on collett to make his next gaff.

Nick can also compromise and make the leadership and leading positions more open and accountable to all the members, and he has nothing to fear as by and large he is popular with members.

Nick can claim he has won as he never sacked collett, and restored peace to the party and you can claim you won as the leadership roles will be more open and democratically selected and all eyes are on collett for his next gaff which would see him removed.

remember if Nick takes you back and continues to back his clowns mistakes and gaffs he knows HE will now be held accountable.

lets move forward and arrange a compromise.

the main compromise has to be more democracy in the selection of leadership roles.

no more of this fill the roles with your buddies Nick it looks bad and it is bad.

Nick there will be no serious leadership challenge if you just listend to the members rather than your paranoia.

Nick you could solidify your position by cleaning out the henchmen and making the top more accountable to members as the members will know you rust them and they will reward you in kind.

how much longer can this drag on, strike a bargin for the party now.

no ifs no buts said...

That will clearly be part of the compromise, Griffin will have to take all parties back.

No ifs no buts.

DundeeCol said...

QUOTE - mikeinengland

"form a New BNP or Real BNP or British Democratic Party"

This is not the answer. It will simply split the vote.

Unfortunately I do not know what the answer is???

The Green Arrow said...

Both sides must talk. No body should resign and none should be accepted.

There must be a DT of some kind and supporting evidence produced.

If this evidence is proved to be true then it can no longer be ignored.

But there must be talk and we should not attack each other. If after a meeting has taken place and things do not work out, then at least both sides can claim to have least tried to negotiate a peace.

But there must be a meeting.

The Chairman appears to have offered an olive branch. It should be accepted.

Paleo said...

Methinks the Green Arrow protests too much here and there...

"The communists must be prepared to make every sacrifice and, if necessary, even resort to all sorts of cunning schemes and stratagems, to employ illegal methods, to evade and conceal the truth... The practical part of communist policy is to incite one [enemy] against another... We communists must use one country against another.. My words were calculated to evoke hatred, aversion, and contempt... not to convince but to break up the ranks of the opponent, not to correct an opponent's mistake but to destroy him, to wipe his organization off the face of the earth. This formulation is indeed of such a nature as to evoke the worst thoughts, the worst suspicions about the opponent."---V. Lenin

Anonymous said...

You must ALL call an EGM before Griffin gets the better of you. The BNP are sending out letters to the entire membership on this matter, don't let them do you down.

Contact the organisers and arrange an EGM

Paleo said...

I would certainly rejoin a cleaned up BNP, but not the one with the current gang of three

Anonymous said...

"The Chairman appears to have offered an olive branch. It should be accepted.

12 December 2007 11:21"

No, the chairman has been caught in a massive lie and has attempted to make Graham appear a state stooge undermining the party. Collett has been spreading it around for months that Graham is, Special Branch and basing it on Larry O'haras magazines.

Whenever anyone voices concerns within the BNP they get the chop, now it's time to give Griffin the chop.

Blobbage said...

Why is it that every time the BNP appears on the verge of a massive breakthrough something happens to halt the progress we deserve and expect?

Theory - Griffin and Darby are state plants who are positioned to bring Nationalists together to ensure the state has a handle on what the "far right" is doing and the threat to the political status quo is managed and contained. Consequently every time we are on the verge of the big-time we are sabotaged. Now, more than ever before we should be breaking through and with the general national feeling moving our way Griffin and Darby cannot control it, so what do they do? They destroy the very organisation that could make a difference.

Where are the accounts? Griffin and Darby should sack Collett, Hannam and Walker and then resign. This process can be managed.

If this doesn't happen the BNP as it was is no more and we must yet again start from scratch - perhaps that is what we must do. The BNP is dead, long live the BNP!

Brucey said...

The Fight is -"for an open, honest, accountable BNP, that is both moral and efficient" I would add - and financially transparent.

A "revolt" was therefore inevitable.

Bill Henderson said...

Transparent?

Yes, it really would seem that the Emperor has no clothes.

Just an incredible Evil Triumvirate

Anonymous said...

To Sadie, Ian, kenny et al don't give in.

Even if Griffin makes concessions he will dump you one by one over months and years.This is the only chance you have.

The fact that Griffin allowed for one of his officials houses to be bugged and raided when she wasn't there is a sure sign he has lost it.

You can't do that in politics Griffin and co are NOT THE POLICE.

You can't have political party leader who wants to enter the European Parliament endorse that and support people who act like that.

Afte the last few days nobody could trust him and a leader needs some trust in him for activists to promote the party.

Anti-gag said...

Nick Griffin has offered an olive branch to the membership involved in this latest trouble; everyone should now grasp this with both hands. Last night I spoke to a man who many people will know, he is no longer a member of this party, but a one time was at the very top of the tree so to speak. No it wasn’t John Tyndall, and I used a telephone not a weggy board.

His years of experience came through with some good common sense. Let’s take the offer of an Olive branch, our point having been made, and give Nick a period of eight months or so to put the house in order. If by then we don’t feel he’s achieved that goal, put up our best candidate against him in a democratic leadership contest.

My own view is that having seen the depth of feeling on this issue, Nick will now act. As a reasonable man, as well as a great politician, he must see the justice of our cause. This is not giving in to blackmail, just listening to the legitimate concerns of the membership.

Now Let’s get back to wining back our nation.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

mikeinengland said...

STATE assets Griffin and Collett? Quite possibly so especially the latter as it would assuage his massive ego.

If you want effective leadership with Griffin you won't get it and this is now proven beyond doubt.

Financial transparency is also an impossible dream with those involved wanting to skim and steal.

A new party could work but the individuals involved need to get active and forget about the BNP as Griffin will never take them back, never forgive them and permanently seek to undermine them...as he has for several days without stopping.

As I said, and he has admitted in the past, he's interested in a career in right-wing politics.

We are interested in saving Britain and making a future for our people and this cannot be done within the BNP.

FACT!

Over to you Sadie and co. We expect and will support your lead but time is of the essence.

mikeinengland said...

Chris, I hear what you're saying but Griffin has not historically been pragmatic and isn't being now. If we remind ourselves of the so-called "olive branch" we see that it is nothing more than an admission of his past folly.

david said...

Sadie you are being stitched up and, if you don't call an EGM soon Griffin will get the better of you. The BNP are today sending out letters to the entire membership, what lies about Graham and others will they contain?

mikeinengland said...

Behind closed doors is tantamount to admitting something is deeply wrong and unless you understand Griffin's career aspirations you can't make any political progress within Nationalism.

Who is interested in "debates"? With whom?

A leader simply states the Party position and policies in the simplest, most effective way. "But aren't two-thirds of your party worried about your leadership style" is hardly firm ground to be on!!!!

This idea that we have to "debate" to "prove" that we're right is a joke. All politics is local and unless and until your group can make a difference where people live and is effectively - and transparently - organised to do so little can be achieved.

Anonymous said...

DundeeCol said... Unfortunately I do not know what the answer is???


The answer is for Nick to rid the party of the three fools Simple


Aberdeen member

Anonymous said...

Chris Hill has reverted back to type.

How can you accept an olive branch from people who:

1 Break into peoples house
2 Steal their property
3 Bug their members
4 Hack their emails and blog sites
5 Make wild accusations about financial wrongdoings.
6 Make wild accusations about people undermining the BNP
7 Publicly endorse people intent on committing offences with minors
8 Sack anybody who has previously raised any concerns within the party
9 Allow members to be silenced on the BNP forum for expressing an opinion
10 Allow the victimization of two pregnant women

The list is endless.
Sadie and co would be fools to accept any Olive Branch from Griffin.
Griffin would only use it to batter them around the head at a later date.

Stand tall and strong Sadie,Kenny and the others.
The BNP need people of strong character like yourselves,not feeble minded weaklings like Collett and Hannam.

Remember in Griffins statement yesterday there was no mention of any compromise.

stalin said...

debate!

trust me if you are on live TV with millions watching and youre up against seasoned tories you better know how to debate almost any subject like a king or you will lose your mainstreme potential vote in a flash.

Griffin can debate he has a proven track record.

he is a good leader who unfortunately surrounds himself with assholes.

force out the assholes if possible, but replace him with a new party etc - forget it you will out out in the first round.

Griffin if you are reading this - get your act together, you are becomeing a paranoid Stalin like disgrace. you can do better than this if you cant then you are finished.

yes you can take the arrogant route and rattle along on you merry way but all the great nationalists in the country will despise you and those that stay will never trust you.

LISTEN TO THE PARTY

Anti-gag said...

Let’s ignore any posts from anonymous sources, all such comments should be regarded as meaningless.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Anti-gag said...

Let’s ignore any posts from Anti-gag sources, all such comments should be regarded as meaningless.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Anonymous said...

Anti-gag said...

Let’s ignore any posts from anonymous sources, all such comments should be regarded as meaningless.

From
Chris Hill
(Lancaster)

Why because it isn't your point of view Chris?

Why do you think so many are anonymous on here?

It is probably down to the new Stasi style techniques used by Griffin and his mates.

It looks like you have been sucked in as well

Good job there are better people involved then either you or me Chris

griffin will be arrested said...

whos terms?...

knock knock

whos there?

Griffins henchmen.


knock knock

whos there?

the police, Mr Griffin your are under arrest anything you say.....

Anonymous said...

Bloody hell that is to the point. Though it is all true - look at all the good people who have left:

Doc Edwards
Wendy Russell
Sadie Graham
Kenny Smith
Angela Clarke
Warren Bennett
Scott McLean
Ian Dawson
Chris Beverley
Steve Blake

---------------------------------
Half of Yorkshire up there.

Collett thinks hes bigger than the party said...

its clear that Collett is the source of all the problems fuled by Griffin himself.

and Collett could break Griffin and the BNP just by being in the party.

WHY WILL COLLETT AND CO NOT STAND DOWN FOR THE SAKE OF THE PARTY AND ITS LEADER?

they clearly think they are above the party and dont care what they are putting Griffin through.

how loyal are they? loyal to themselfs it would appear.

North Devon Patriot said...

The local election campaign manifesto included a section on local democracy.
The Policy, on the main website,
concerning local democracy includes this paragraph
"Power should be devolved to the lowest level possible so that local communities can make decisions which affect them. We will remove legal curbs on freedom of speech imposed by successive Governments over the last 40 years. We will implement a Bill of Rights guaranteeing fundamental freedoms to the British people. We will ensure that ordinary British people have real democratic power over their own lives and that Government, local and national, is truly accountable to the people who elect it"
I wonder if this policy could be used for the running of the party as well as the Country.
A sort of practice what you preach type of thing

Martin Wingfield said...

The Best publicity material ever produced

By Martin Wingfield

‘The Londoner’ leaflet that is currently being distributed across the capital is receiving an excellent response with enquiries and new members from London at the highest level in the history of the British National Party.

I spoke at length with London BNP organiser Nick Eriksen, last night and he is very bullish about the BNP’s chances of gaining two seats on the GLA in May. Nick’s view was supported by the Conservative’s London Mayor candidate Boris Johnson, who was warning of the funding and influence that two BNP GLA representatives would have. Nick does the excellent London BNP website which helps get our message over specifically to Londoners. It is well worth a visit and can be found from a link on the BNP’s new website.

The Londoner leaflet is another example of the professional election material coming from the BNP’s Publicity Department headed by Mark Collett. The leaflets now being produced by the Party are the best ever produced by a British nationalist party and are proving hugely successful - as our record membership proves. All this is down to the work of one man - Mark Collett. Now he might not win a popularity contest amongst his colleagues but that doesn’t bother me one iota. Mark is in the team to produce the Party’s propaganda and he is doing a superb job.

The media just loves the BNP ballerina Simone Clarke. Yesterday another report appeared on her, this time in the The Times. Reporter Helen Rose informs her readers that . . .

“Simone Clarke was born in Leeds, the daughter of a maths teacher and a secretary. Educated first at the local Catholic school, at the age of 10 she beat 4,500 others to win one of 23 places at the Royal Ballet School in London. In 1988, after a stint at Birmingham Royal Ballet, she joined English National Ballet, and rose seamlessly through the ranks to become senior soloist in 2000 and principal dancer in 2004. Her stellar CV is every little girl’s dream: Juliet in Romeo and Juliet, Aurora in The Sleeping Beauty, Cinderella and the Sugar Plum Fairy. Her career high-light, she has said, was a guest appearance in China as Odette/Odile in Swan Lake.

“When a newspaper “outed” her as a BNP member in 2005 there were calls from some quarters for her to be sacked, and vocal protests at one of her performances. But then, as one observer pointed out, the BNP might be distasteful, but it is a legal organisation.

“Last year a newspaper ‘exposed’ my BNP membership,” Clarke is reported as saying on the Solidarity website. “Some politically motivated malcontents tried to have me sacked, hence my interest in a British workers’ union.”

“Now 37 and expected to retire soon, Simone Clarke will dance this week in the Snow Queen at the London Coliseum. “I will be known as the BNP ballerina,” she has said. “I think that will stick with me for life. But I don’t regret anything. I will stay a member.”

What a great asset Simone is for the Party and what a help she will be for our GLA campaign next year. I hope she takes the highest profile because Simone is a real vote winner.

Allerdale BNP organiser Paul Stafford, was on the telephone again yesterday enthusing over Sunday’s Colin Auty concert in Maryport. Paul says it was the biggest ever BNP gathering in Cumbria and what delighted him most was that it was openly advertised in Maryport as a BNP function and there’s wasn’t a sniff of opposition or any problems for the whole afternoon. Needless to say the landlord and his good lady were delighted and donated the superb buffet provided for the event. Paul would like to have Colin up again soon, this time for a concert in Workington where the venue can accommodate double Sunday’s audience.

There’s an important North West regional meeting tonight and I know our officials from Cumbria will be travelling down. It seems hard to believe that Christmas is just two weeks away with so much political activity going on. With the Members’ Bulletin now being delivered, the phones didn’t stop ringing yesterday. I’m also delighted to report that the December issue of Freedom has been very well received. I must admit that initially I didn’t want to do one as I always believe people have other things on their mind in December, but now I’m glad I did and it’s especially rewarding to get such a positive feedback. Hopefully the online version of the newspaper will be linked on the website today.

Make sure you listen to the Colin Auty and Joey Smith Christmas record - you can download it from the BNP website - it’s a corker and a must have for any Christmas party.

martinwingfield.blogspot.com

An East Mids Patriot said...

Nick Griffin is not the BNP, some may argue with that, but he is an icon and synonymous with the party. He has taken the party on in leaps and bounds, but the man has shown in the last week that he has lost the plot. The BNP would be a much stronger and electable party with Sadie, Kenny, Matt et al. than one that includes Collett and Hannam. I see on the main BNP site that Collets artwork for the GLA electons is being fawned over in an attempt to show he is indispensible. Nick will not back down from this, he is too stubborn and would rather set the party back ten years than push for Euro glory in just over one years time. It has gone too far for things to be amicably resolved, the trust has gone on all sides.

Anonymous said...

Over on Stormfront it looks like the BNP leadership faction is organising a fake 'disagreement' between two slavishly loyal Griffinites, Purging the Droid and Green Arrow.

Their objective is to set the terms of a fake 'debate' so as to be favourable to them.

In other words they are pretending that the issue is whether Sadie and Kenny et al should be expelled, suspended or offered an olive branch. With the assumption that they are the ones in the wrong.

When of course the real debate should be whether Nick Griffin can survive as leader - with the assumption that whatever happens Collett, Hannam and Walker must go!

Anonymous said...

I think it safe to assume that PTD is pretty much speaking for Griffin!

An East Mids Patriot said...

Purging the Droid is one of the handles that Nick allegedly uses and Green Arrow is having his strings pulled by Nick, I think it's time to leave the kids that want to play games behind and get on with serious matter of saving our country

E. N. Ronn said...

"I don't think Sadie and co should go to the wasted NF or the insane BPP but they should either form a New BNP or

Real BNP or British Democratic Party. This name was used in Leicester with some brief success before John Peacock

and co joined the BNP. It's a good name and sums the cause up nicely."

Well said. BDP is a good name. Existing smaller democratic nationalist groups would willingly merge into a British

Democratic Party. Their quarrel is with the Welshpool clique of moral, political and financial bankrupts, not with the vast majority of decent patriots in the BNP, who should IMHO leave now and make a new start.

Sadie as chairman? Sounds good. A woman leader would be an interesting departure.

Anonymous said...

For me the biggest deal is the entering and taking of sadies P C without her permission,thats deplorable and I hope those who did it are brought to book and punished.
The BNP is now run like some little private members club and its time it changed,good luck to the real BNP people.

Dave. Sheffield.

mikeinengland said...

IS THAT DAVE H from Sheffield? I remember you from York in the 1980s I think and we kept the reds at bay that day whilst hopelessly outnumbered in a car park.

Point being that we've all learned a lot since those days and the BNP has grown but outgrown its usefulness because Nick Griffin's power has gone to his head. Not unlike the Blair regime that fell to pieces, the BNP has gone the same way because it failed to develop in an accountable and reasonable manner despite all the warnings that it must do so from experienced political operators who have learned valuable lessons from history.

I still like the idea of a British Democratic Party; The initials are similar, the name says it all and What You See Is What You Get.

Anonymous said...

The dirty tricks are okay against the enemy but not against our own.

I'm resigning.

Any self respecting members should now do the same and wave goodbye to NG and his Forum twisting bootlickers.

anonnymouse said...

From Time to Go website... pretty much hits the nail on the head.

http://yorkshirebnp.wordpress.com/

Meanwhile, over on the main party website, Martin Wingfield, who I have always found to be first rate and whose political judgement I have broadly trusted until now, is a pains to point out the very many uses a political organisation could have for their very own little Mark Collett. It must be very encouraging for Mr. Collett that the party grandees are prepared to stand by him in such a public manner, rain or shine.

I feel the lines have now been drawn and the party heirachy have now publicly indicated that they will not take action against Mark. This, despite the irrefutable fact the turmoil that we now find ourselves in is very much of Collett's own making thanks to many years of rumour-mongering, general incompetence and utter ineptitude.

Good activists, hard working councillors and trusted friends are leaving the party quicker than Mark can cobble together another tacky leaflet - whilst the content is good am I the only one that thinks 'The Londoner' looks like a dodgy pizza menu? The leadership must act if it is their wish to stem the flow. The claim that positions can be filled a hundred times over is probably true. However, the experience and calibre of newly-appointed officials will doubtless be questionable.

The leadership have two choices. They can either have a party of hard working activists, councillors and members working as one towards our common aims, or they can have their leaflets designed by Mark Collett.

More interestingly, members now also have a choice. Should the leadership choose to stand idly by as Collett continues to spread his poison, then the only option for us is to replace them with individuals who will not show such patience with Collett and his cronies. More-over, they must be replaced by a new generation who have brought to the party a multitude of talents and views whilst retaining and enhancing the core values of patriotism and nationalism.

Anonymous said...

As an aside to our problems perhaps we should (especially as christmas is approaching) spare a thought for the scumbags at uaf, including ketlan the 'red arse bandit'.
They're chuckling away like turkeys being given extra feed in december. But what are they going to do if the BNP implodes?
Get a wash?
Get a job??
Get a life???
Well, ketlan, heres a new year prediction for you. The bnp WILL come out of this bigger, better and stronger so you will have a real fight on your hands. Put any thoughts about a wash, job or life on hold for a while - WE WILL BE BACK

Anonymous said...

It's election time and I'm on someone's doorstep.

"Hello Sir, I represent the British National Party. Can I ask if you are likely to vote for us in the coming election?"

"Well, I agree with most of your policies."

"That's good. I'll put you down as a Yes. Ok?"

"Hang about. Didn't your leader deny the Holocaust?"

"Well, not exactly ..."

"Ok then. But didn't he order some guys to break into a party official's house and steal her belongings?"

"Well, in a sense, but ..."

"Isn't one of his henchmen a jumped up little Nazi? I saw a documentary about him where he said some very odd things - the sort of things which no politician could ever say and expect to continue their career in politics? Indeed, the sort of things that would make any sane person question the nature of the party he represents?"

"Ah, well, that was a while ago ... and maybe some of it was out of context ... errr ..."

"How many people would vote for a politician who said: 'Hitler will live on forever and maybe I will too'?"

"Well ... perhaps ... errr ... one or two ... errr ..."

"Didn't your leader decide to retain this little prat and those other two goons instead of reinstating the reliable, respected, hard-working ones whom he'd forced out when they'd complained about said prat?"

"Errr ... perhaps ... in a sense ... but ..."

"Doesn't your leader in fact see himself as a career right-wing politician who is doing very nicely thank-you living off members' subscriptions, and not actually as someone who can save this country from both cultural suicide and being a puppet state in a federal Europe?"

"Well ... I wouldn't put it quite like that ... errr ..."

"Did you think I wouldn't know all this stuff?"

"I was sort of hoping you wouldn't."

"And you want me to vote for you?"

"Errr ... shall I put you down as a Possible, then?"

Anonymous said...

It's important that all branches who have come out in support of Sadie and Kenny send letters to their members explaining the current fiasco within the party and giving reasons why we have taken such action. This will also counter anything currently being planned by the party 'leadership' to inform the entire membership of their twisted version of events.

Use some of the MANY examples of Collett's disgraceful words and actions and make it clear that he is nothing like the 'talented' publicist or designer that Griffin and now Wingfield would quite nauseatingly have us all believe, and that he can be replaced immediately by far better qualified and experienced members of the party.

If the leadership resort to dirty tactics and lies, remind your members of the many stupid things Griffin has also said and done.

Don't let them get away with. Your members have a right to know exactly what the party's leaders are up to and the disgraceful incompetence that is destroying the party.

Bill Henderson said...

mikeinengland Quoth

I still like the idea of a British Democratic Party; The initials are similar, the name says it all and What You See Is What You Get.


(Reposted after correcting a glaring spelling error)

British Democratic Party sounds just fine, or BDP for short.

I like the Homophonic ring it has when you say B-D-P although the actual name could possibly be voted upon.

I had hoped to stay relatively neutral in this matter, with some slight leaning towards Sadie Graham. But having seen the Venomous Libel and heard, albeit second hand, of the Sensation Seeking and Character Assassinating Slander that Nick Griffin and his cohorts have attempted to Tar and Feather Sadie with, I have no respect left for such an Idiot.

Collett would probably call him a Cockroach, but I shall refrain out of respect for the Roach Family.

Similarly, a scan of the various sites and Blogs convinced me that no matter what happens, the Evil Triumvirate of Collett et al are staying; not only staying, but praise is Heaped upon the Heads of the Annointed Ones.

To cap it off, a relatively innocuous post I made on Stormfront had been deleted just minutes after I posted it which proved what I had been told previously that Don Black, at the urging probably of David Duke was censoring posts from "Troublemakers"

There is no way forward now with Griffin to my way of thinking, and BDP suits me just fine. I shall even join which I actually never did with Griffin's BNP.

Anonymous said...

BNP expels councillor from party

Nottinghamshire's only British National Party councillor has been expelled from the party.

The BNP said Sadie Graham was thrown out for "gross misconduct".

On its website the BNP said Sadie Graham and another expelled official, Kenny Smith, had criticised the leadership of the party........


http://news.bbc.co.uk/ 1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/ 7138919.stm

Bill Henderson said...

TESTING

Merry Christmas

Bill Henderson said...

Click Here for BBC News a couple of posts back

Bill's like a kid with a new toy....

Anonymous said...

The image on the main site says it all:

"We lead, others follow".

Anonymous said...

Darby is burying his head in the sand...

Lets pretend the membership dont want to be run by two wannabe paedophiles,,,,,,Long live Collet the King of Printing,,,,Collet I love him,,,,Collet for King,,,,, Darby is renaming his blog

The Simon Darby, loves Mark Collet,,,Love Magazine

Having said what needed to be said yesterday, things are settling down to normality once again. People now know what they need to know and furnished and trusted with that knowledge I feel that our members and supporters can appreciate for themselves just what has happened. Although I could say a great deal more about the events of the last few days, I think the time has come to draw the line and move on.

Spoke to Richard Barnbrook this morning just as he was about to meet up with BNPTV outside City Hall. Richard, as ever, was in good spirits and was looking forward to making a short video concerning the recent allegations concerning Lee Jasper. Richard's next duty will be to hand in a sequence of formal complaints to the Metropolitan Police concerning a series of articles published in the London Evening Standard.

Good old Boris Johnson, I always enjoy his performances on Have I Got News For You. His latest performance in the House of Commons on Tuesday I would also have much enjoyed. It involved the delivery of an Early Day Motion, that to myself , and to no doubt a few others, reads like music to my ears:

That this House notes that in May 2008 there is a possibility that at least two members of the British National Party (BNP) will gain a seat on the London Assembly, and that as things currently stand there is a grave risk of these two members of the BNP having a deciding vote on the Mayor's budget; believes that this is a potentially disastrous situation in which a future Mayor of any party could depend on BNP support to pass his budget; calls upon all politicians for all parties to denounce the BNP in London and to work together to combat anyone who seeks to play the race card on London politics; and further calls upon the Government to uses its powers top combat this very real threat.

Boris, of course might appear to be somewhat of a buffoon, but he is far from stupid. Here we see the first of what will be many attempts to use the clout of the BNP in London as a political lever. Notice how canny Mr Johnson is here by actually playing the race card in a format that actually calls for its abolishment.

As every day goes by we get closer and closer to a breakthrough in London the likes of which our organisation has never seen. I've said it before, but we are so close now, I can almost see it.Just to see Richard and others, after everything that we have gone through, actually take the reins of real and genuine power in one of the biggest and wealthiest cities in the world would mean everything to me.

The shockwaves will echo around the world as the magnitude of what we have managed to achieve begins to sink in. People will look at us, the British people, and realise that we are not beaten, we still have our fierce pride and we will not be humiliated in our own country. As I say we are not there yet, we still have many hurdles to overcome, but I really think we are going to do it!

Ken Booth in the North East (of England) emails me several times today. You will recall the excellent Newcastle Patriot I previewed here last week, well there will be mass leafletting sessions Saturday 15th December 10.00 am to 1.00 pm and 1.00 pm to 4.30 pm. Contact Ken or Graham in Newcastle if you fancy helping out.

Tomorrow will see a full council meeting in Stoke-on-Trent where the BNP group motion concerning the removal of a certain Labour councillor after his conviction for animal cruelty will be going through. Surprisingly both the Conservatives and the Lib Dems in Stoke are also having a nibble at this so this could prove to be very interesting indeed.

BNP Group Leader Alby Walker also told me this morning about the trouble that the Building Schools for the Future project is causing in the city. SERCO are being paid to spearhead the implementation of this project to the tune of £5m and the city's council tax payers are having to pick up 67% of the cost.

Just like elsewhere in the country the BSF project is causing enormous problems as it really is nothing more than a huge scam to force pupils from different communities together. This is the Labour Party at its very worst- it doesn't matter about the education of the children just so long as they can carry on with their grotesque social engineering experiment. Who cares if the kids are semi-literate, what's more important is that they all grow up to support the Labour Party or alternatively cannot oppose it as they have been intellectually emasculated.

Alby has to meet a parents group, including Muslim parents, today from St Joseph's College in the city. It is a school with an excellent academic record, and despite the demographic difficulties, is doing very well indeed. Alby will be telling them that as far as we are concerned, if it is not broken don't mend it. It is one of the many schools threatened with closure under the BSF plan which just like the rest of the country appears to be synonymous with a Marxist style captive breeding programme.

A considerable amount of work is being done on the new website and we are pretty confident that there will be much greater improvements added in the near future.

I have to iron a shirt as I am addressing a pensioner's group a little later. There's just enough time to tell you about the redwings, wrens, goldcrest and chaffinches I have seen today along with a spectacular cat fight which I had to break up.

Bill Henderson said...

The image on the main site says it all:

"We lead, others follow".


Well when I was a kid, growing up in GeordieLand, there was a saying went something like "After the Lord Mayor's Show comes the Muck Cart", inferring of course that someone had to Shovel up the Dung that the Lord Mayor's Horses' Asses had left behind.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...The image on the main site says it all: "We lead, others follow".

Unfortunately, some prefer the reverse, but are not too choosy about the "Leader".

Witness the inane and drunken chants of "LEADER, LEADER" at a recent Party event kindly preserved for posterity on YouTube or somesuch place.

Loyal BNP said...

"Anti-gag said...
Nick Griffin has offered an olive branch to the membership involved in this latest trouble; "

I wish you well in your mediation efforts, but the problem is that whatever olive branch is offered, it will not be accepted. They dont want to see an open hand of freindship to sit down and talk about things when offerred to them. The coup leaders failed to attempt to deal with things at the correct forum, the advisory council

Lets look at the Collett for starters. Things in the past have been dealt with by his probation. The issue people have against him now is he is rude, and can act like a muppet occasionally. Agreed. Is that a reason to destroy britian`s last hope- the BNP. Live with the fact that he, like many others, have personality flaws.

Most of the posters here seem to be guided by personal loyalty to the coup leaders. Get over it. I dont care how good a Branch Development Manager Sadie was- her undermocratic actions condemn her. I dotn belive the accusations against Kenny however- and hope all comes out in the wash.


As to treasury problems, again a grain of truth here. However the membership were offerred a scrutiny comittee at the AGM only 3 weeks ago. The motion to allow this was proposed by Nick Griffin- and the membership voted that this was not neccessary. They found that, although there were, admitted, problems, these could be sorted out. Why are you rejecting a specific democractic vote of the membership on this matter? Who runs this party- the voting members or the middle managers?

Anonymous said...

Playground politics. "Ooh I don't like the nasty man" - if you people can't deal with rotten apples like Collett you shouldn't be in politics.

And what happens to your new little cozy up when more personality clashes arise? Dancing with reds? Sleeping with the enemy? Falsifying and manipualting evidence? Betraying colleagues who share your same beliefs?

Collett has got under your skins, he's infected you with so much hatred the red mist has blinded you all. There was an astute way to snare your prey and there was an impatient, foolish amd misguided way which involved betraying all involved with the cause.

Sadly, impatience and hatred won the day and will solely benefit our enemies. All because of one man, a man on borrowed time but a man who has caused you lot to lose the plot and place hatred for a personality over the cause we all share.

Together we're strong - WE HAVE PROVEN THAT HAVEN'T WE?

End this. Shake off the hatred for this buffoon and call an EGM. Be professional and concentrate on what is important - the truth of our cause and the people we will serve - and not on the personality of one man who is not important and for whom the writing is on the wall.

Don't give up the victory that is so close just because of hatred for Collett. He isn't worth it.

We have to stay together our country cannot afford us to split because we are fast running out of time. Yes it'll hurt whilst Collett is around but to split now is suicide for our nation.

The enemy is about to take a huge step forward. We cannot afford this split and I am begging you - end this, stay united, and keep fighting. We need to now more than ever.

Call the EGM. Get this sorted and then let's get back in the trenches because our country needs us and it needs us right now more than ever.

We don't have time for personality politics - there's a war on and we're the oly ones with the guts to fight it.

I urge you - csll for the EGM.

Anonymous said...

what's an egm?

Anonymous said...

So, Loyal BNP, since when has paedophilia become a "personality flaw?"

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
what's an egm?

12 December 2007 18:20"

'Extraordinary General Meeting'

It's the type of thing allowed in democratic parties but if held by members of the BNP they would be expelled or beaten up by Griffins best friend, Tony Lecomber.

I can't believe that the people posting on here cannot see the real problem, it's GRIFFIN.

Anonymous said...

"Anonymous said...
So, Loyal BNP, since when has paedophilia become a "personality flaw?"

12 December 2007 18:25"

Who allows Collett to remain? GRIFFIN

reader said...

Can people please refrain from copy&pasting other people's blog entries? We all know where to find them if we want to read them. This page is for comments not massive c&p jobs. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

"I have to iron a shirt as I am addressing a pensioner's group a little later. There's just enough time to tell you about the redwings, wrens, goldcrest and chaffinches I have seen today along with a spectacular cat fight which I had to break up."

BOLLOCKS, Darby hasn't left his house. How can he attend none existent pensioner meetings sat in his living room?

Anonymous said...

One man has beat you all - because you allowed him to.

Patience people - patience. Do the "smart" thing now. Swallow your pride, bide your time and victory will be yours.

Get back in the ranks where you know you belong and where you are best.

I believe it takes a stronger and smarter person to do the right thing here and the clever thing).

End this damn blog, get back to your post and rejoin the struggle.

Don't throw negatives at me - they bounce off me. I'm sick of hearing it is too late for that! It is NEVER too late.

Are you soldiers or quitters. Make your minds up now before it's too late.

The BNP will go forward without you, but it will get there a damn sight quicker with you on board.

Anonymous said...

over at GA there's a post claiming to be representative of Barking and Dagenham councillors. They are not happy with Griffin. If they step down, the whole house of cards will follow. London has probably stayed quiet until now because of the upcoming elections.

The Truth said...

This is getting pathetic.

Always during these fallings out there are always the usual allegations (remember Webster's last intervention?)

One side works for the state, the other side are paedophiles.

If you cannot prove it then shut the hell up about it.

The Truth said...

Anonymous said...
over at GA there's a post claiming to be representative of Barking and Dagenham councillors. They are not happy with Griffin. If they step down, the whole house of cards will follow. London has probably stayed quiet until now because of the upcoming elections.

12 December 2007 18:42



Another lie.

Read the post properly, it says nothing of the sort.

Anonymous said...

"As part of a loyal and successful BNP council group I am disturbed to see how Tony Lecomber has suddenly been set loose by Nick.

We remain loyal to the main party but concerned at these events.

Barking & Dagenham Councillors"

If they step down, it's game over.

Anonymous said...

Good to see the two Scotts of Scarborough on the list.

Looks like a couple more banned from the BNP forum then

Anonymous said...

"If they step down, it's game over."

Perhaps. But it's an open secret that the BNP members on the council aren't too fond of each other other any way and have managed to continue in two/three separate camps without any major problems.

London is staying out of this for the sake of the party.

Anonymous said...

"Councillor Rustem" ?

No wonder he's concerned about the return of Lecomber!

Lecomber, Collett and Griffin as Leaders?!

No! no! no!

Anonymous said...

yes, good for London. They will win respect for that, and be in a position to assess things when they have settled. However, I thought their comments interesting, and so posted them. But if they did change sides, I don't think the BNP could continue in its present form.

Anonymous said...

"London is staying out of this for the sake of the party."

Please will London get involved (one way or the other) for the sake of the party!!

Individual members expressing opinions is fine.

It doesn't have to be branches.

Let's hear what people think (non-members too, if you want)

Anonymous said...

All officials who have resigned need to keep the membership lists in case they need to form a new party.

More BNP councillors need to make a stand.

Chish and Fips said...

I think you should also list all members who support you.
It would be good for morale and show some real support.

Maybe name and branch

There must be loads that would

Bill Henderson said...

One man has beat you all - because you allowed him to.

"Beaten" is more appropriate here - Like with a Big Stick

But not any longer

Patience people - patience.

Patience it seems has been worn thin recently and finally worn right out

Do the "smart" thing now. Swallow your pride, bide your time and victory will be yours.

Do please elaborate

Get back in the ranks where you know you belong and where you are best.

A mind reader too now? Or do you just "know" where the good, honest hard workers you think are "Sheeple" belong.

I believe it takes a stronger and smarter person to do the right thing here and the clever thing).

You are right - so get Griffin to Expel the Triumvirate, and then resign himself

End this damn blog, get back to your post and rejoin the struggle.

This humble blog, my friend is the best thing since Sliced Bread, and have no doubts, the struggle will continue

Don't throw negatives at me - they bounce off me. I'm sick of hearing it is too late for that! It is NEVER too late.

The Toothpaste is out of the tube. Griffin and his Goons squeezed it out. And it's now far too late and impossible to squeeze it back in.

Are you soldiers or quitters. Make your minds up now before it's too late.

There are no Quitters here. Griffin fired the First Salvo and must suffer the ignominious consequences

The BNP will go forward without you, but it will get there a damn sight quicker with you on board.

Way to go. Rally around the Flag Lasses and Lads. Ubersturmbannfuhrer Griffin will send you over the top to be slaughtered like Haig on the Somme that Long ago July First without a second thought about the casualties.

So go tell Nickie Boy he should have thought out the consequences of his actions last weekend, and that the Rank and File are fed up of him

East Midlands member said...

Still no word from any official in Leicestershire.

Leicesterhire is the biggest branch in the East Midlands if their officials openly declare their support that would be a coup.

Bert Rustle said...

I would hazard a guess that there are more members of the security services within the BNP than BNP members within the security services. The potential damage they can do to the BNP in general and democracy in particular is orders of magnitude greater than transfers between the various wings of the Establishment Party so lasciviously reported by the Drive-By Media. In my opinion it would not be possible to contain such destructive potential within the devolved management structure desired by some. Furthermore, reportedly Blair, Brown and Cameron have a somewhat similar autocratic management as ascribed to Nick Griffin. The demands made in the blog entry ybnp-leaders-response-to-bnp-expulsions are absurd within any organisation, never mind a political party under continuous attack from all sides. If David Miliband made such demands of Gordon Brown would the electorate be inspired, amused or simply doubt his sanity?

When I read some of the entries on the enoughisenoughnick I find it remarkably similar to an articles on the searchlight website. Are these articles intended to damage the BNP or likely to damage the BNP given the prevailing circumstances?

The book The Death of the West: How Dying Populations and Immigrant Invasions Imperil Our Country and Civilization spells out the fate of Western civilization if there is not a change of course soon. If the new EU Constitution is ratified even more political power will be lost to Brussels and it is possible that anti-Multiculti political parties will be banned.

I would hazard a guess that before a new political anti-Multiculti party is as well established as the current BNP, all such political activity will be illegal in the EU. To pursue this route is either idealism to the point of recklessness or manipulation by Multiculti third parties.

Anonymous said...

" Bill Henderson said...
One man has beat you all - because you allowed him to. "

Says you living in the south of france, what would you know about the internal affairs of OUR party ? absolutely nothing obviously you fool.

Mark Wain said...

I am sure Leicestershire will voice an opinion (be it either way) at one point in the near future.

Anonymous said...

Must be difficult for Leicestershire as Colletts parents are in that branch.

Anonymous said...

AS ANYONE NOTICED ON THE GONE BACKWARD NEW WEBSITE(PROBABLY DESIGNED BY COLLETT)YOU NOW NEED A PASSWORD TO LOG ONTO SIMON DARBYS COMMENT PAGE ??? TRY IT BUT YOU NEED TO GET AUTHORISATION FIRST.IM SORRY BUT THE PARTY HAS BECOME OVERNIGHT SOMETHING FROM THE FORMER SOVIET UNION,SORRY FOLKS IT HAS ALL GOT TOO COMPLEX FOR ME.GOOD LUCK

Mark Wain said...

"Must be difficult for Leicestershire as Colletts parents are in that branch."

Yep.

Anonymous said...

Thee are a lot more people in Leics than just the Colletts

Anonymous said...

" Bill Henderson said...
One man has beat you all - because you allowed him to. "

Says you living in the south of france.....you fool.

Bill is responding to that post. He didnt write it

Anonymous said...

People need to refresh their memories with what Griffin did when he destroyed the NF. He blamed it on everyone else just as he is trying to do now.Note how he hates Wingfield and Brons, two men who now kiss Griffins backside. History is repeating...




"Yet this was precisely the irresponsible attitude of Wingfield, Acton, Nash, and Brons at the Directorate meeting which heard a series of charges against Anderson. The full story of how they schemed, lied and rigged the agenda to get Anderson off will be told later in this document. In the meantime, the reader should just bear in mind the fact that the desire to protect a member of their secret faction prompted these corrupt individuals to ignore completely one of the worst breaches' in security which the National Front has ever suffered."

http://www.aryanunity.com/attempted_murder.html

Anonymous said...

B&D Councillors will make an announcement before the weekend is over. Richard Barnbrook will not be speeking for all of us.

Anonymous said...

Whoever it was that said the new website had gone backwards, I'd hate to have seen the one before last - what was it created on..?

A Commodore 64?

The new website is a vast improvement and a step in the direction, both sides of this debate surely have to recognise that!

Charnwood nationalist said...

Mark Colletts parents are in Charnwood not Leicestersshire, but still have a lot to do with Leicestershire.

I note they are actually quite nice people shame their son has an ego.

Bill Henderson said...

Says you living in the south of france, what would you know about the internal affairs of OUR party ? absolutely nothing obviously you fool.

It really doesn't take a Rocket Scientist to discover what's going on. After all, the shenanigans of the Party's Politbureau fill the Blogs and WebPages World Wide on a daily basis.

Furthermore, on any given day, in addition to the British Expatriates along the coast, there are enough British Tourists to populate a fair sized Town if not a small City.

And I talk to them, give them directions and discuss Politics etc. with them. Many of them are even BNP members or at least supporters.

So don't think that I am ignorant of what's going on.

Oh, and touché. I suppose throwing in your Ten Quid or whatever to join does give you the right to refer to the BNP as OUR party.

Whereas until a few days ago I had always been a "Lone Activist" which left me free to Support any and All Nationalist parties. Vlaams Belang, Front National, etc., and even show Solidarity with our Serbian Brothers a couple of months ago. It's lucky they told us not to bring our guns to that little picnic too, otherwise World War 3 would have started right there and then when the Mounted Gooons charged us.

As for being a Fool, Bill reluctantly sticks up his hand.

Anybody who's been a Nationalist as long as I have has to be a Fool, Right?

Anonymous said...

Guys and Girls...

Have a look at the "graphic" - BNP IN CRISIS! on the UAF Scum site.

I posted this, let's see if they publish it lol...

"You claim to have so much support at the UAF, yet you can find no-one to produce decent graphics for you!

I mean, you make Mark Collet look like Rolf Harris FFS!"

LOL.

Richard Barnbrook said...

I am writing in my personal capacity as London Mayoral candidate and a friend of Nick Griffin.

I urge the people behind this blog to stop what they are doing and think about what it is doing to the party.

Thise issues need to be delt with properly by the elected leader of the party.

I hope that everyone will desist with the foolish name calling and get back to looking at the facts and the opportunity's that the BNP have.

Next year the British National Party could well hold seats on Kens local goverment authority.

Silly childish arguments achieve nothing and give energy to our enemy that is does not need.

I urge all people to stop bickering and fighting and look to the future. In Barking my team and I have led by example how a good team can really make a difference to local peoples lives. Sadie has shown also that she is a very capable and confident organiser and councillor.We are setting the standard.

This could not have happened with out the support and leadership of Nick Griffin. Nick Griffin is a visionary type in the fight to save our land and people.

We all know that not evrey one can be friends with evreyone all of the time. The one thing we are sure of is that the people who matter are standing by Nick because they know he can make change for our people.

I urge us all to desist with these factional acitivities and get back to talking about the very things that unite us which are stronger than what divides us.

We cannot always be friends but we can be comrades witha cause.

I urge all of us to think carefully about the damage that is being done to our party and reputations.

Steve said...

Everybody who has resigned their position make sure you renew your membership.

Change has to come from within. Next spring put up a candidate and challenge Griffin if needs must.

Anonymous said...

"I urge all of us to think carefully about the damage that is being done to our party and reputations."

Good point Richard, so answer me this, what damage is done by, for example, taking under age girls back to your room, or harassing 13 year old girls, threatening them, or spamming them with porn, like, again for example, someone with, shall we say the initials DH?

Think of the damage that does to our party and reputations!

I take it if those truly are your concerns that you will be doing whatever it takes to have such characters removed from the party?

I feel if that end was achieved this would blow over rather quickly, and then everyone could stop bickering and fighting and look to the future.

Imagine that, wouldn't it be good?

There are elections coming up this year, it is in no ones, apart from the oppositions, best interests to see those elections disrupted in any way, so I know that you will think very hard about what has been said, and take up these real concerns with the party, won't you Richard?

I look forward to your reply, and your condemnation of perverts within the party, after all we all want to move forward, don't we?

Anonymous said...

"Nick Griffin is a visionary..."

He cant be that visonary if he was he would have fully envisaged the grief that would come directly from NOT taking action against Collett when it should have been.

How much harm can ONE person be allowed to do to our cause before action is taken?

Can you see the damage speaking up for Hitler does? The violence at the party's showpiece festival? The attitude and arrogance? The sheer incompetence displayed on TV -why do you think the TV is so keen for Collett to appear?

You odnt have to be a visionary to see the damage that has been caused and that is still being caused by Collett.

Enforce the rules so the two sides can get back together, he was given a final written warning last year yet made an idiot of himself at the ocnference. Rules are rules and he shouldnt be an exception to them because he is far from exceptional

Anonymous said...

"I urge us all to desist with these factional acitivities and get back to talking about the very things that unite us"

Building a brighter future, condemnation of pedophiles, creating a marketable party, with a clean image, that sort of thing?

So glad you are pushing for the removal of MC and DH too.

Judging by your words, you are doing that, aren't you?

Anonymous said...

Richard - I urge you to READ this blog.

Anonymous said...

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php/mark-collett-443467p2.html

Well in the first straw poll on the matter 88% of stormfront says bye bye Mark.

37 people so far are saying he should walk, or be pushed.

EnoughIsEnough said...

Comments calling for a new party to be formed will be deleted. We are fighting for the survival of the BNP. No ifs, no buts. The BNP is our only vehicle for success.
Despite everything, we want Nick Griffin to be the political leader too, so people can quit calling for his head too.

Anonymous said...

EnoughIsEnough said...

Comments calling for a new party to be formed will be deleted. We are fighting for the survival of the BNP. No ifs, no buts. The BNP is our only vehicle for success.
Despite everything, we want Nick Griffin to be the political leader too, so people can quit calling for his head too.

Whilst I whole heartedly agree with you about the ridiculous calls to form a new party and even one mention of the drunken buffoons in the BPP.
I'm not sure about Griffin.
In an ideal world he would,as he is our natural leader.
However,I just can't see how he can come out of this situation undamaged.

Bill Henderson said...

Richard Barnbrook a dit...

I am writing in my personal capacity as London Mayoral candidate and a friend of Nick Griffin.


Richard, I understand your concerns.

However, I think you are drastically minimalizing, by several orders of magnitude, the problems that have precipitated this crisis for which Mr. Griffin is largely responsible.

And he seems to be unwilling or unable to correct the problems. He even praises the performance of several miscreants, thereby taunting the disaffected members and firming up their resolve to turn their backs on the BNP.

It is no wonder that a significant number of the officials and members are jumping ship.

The Ball is in Griffin's Court, not the other way around.

The Green Arrow said...

EiE

I for one am very pleased with your recent comment. We must try to work this out. Points have been hammered home and I hope listened to.

People who perhaps should have done the decent thing have not. And that I am sorry about.

The BNP may be the last national party in europe. We know that they are talking about proscribing parties that do not support the growth of Eurabia.

We need to be united.

Anonymous said...

Sorry folks.

If you still think Nick Griffin can carry on as leader of the BNP, you have failed - despite everything - to appreciate the scale of the problem.

Cllr Dave Brown said...

So Sadie is "state" because she used to be a hunt sab. What rubbish. I also was a hunt sab in my younger days, simply because I felt that what I saw was cruel and disgusting and I felt I had to stop it. Exactly the same reason why I became a Nationalist, what I see happening to our beloved country is also wrong. Because it goes against BNP Party Policy does not make me a "red" or "state" it makes me an individual with my own opinion.

millie said...

Well,
I resigned as a moderator on the B.N.P.forum yesterday and found out a few hours ago that I haven't just been suspended from the forum.I have been banned for life.
I thought thet free speech was something we were fighting to keep.
What the hell is going on.

Bill Henderson said...

mikeinengland

Would you mind to email me at the email address in my Profile?

Don't use the hotmail one as it's a throw-away for the sole purpose of communicating via MSN

Thanks

Anonymous said...

I was permanently banned from the BNP forum for life Millie, merely for posting a picture of Griffin with Don Black (owner of Stormfront for those who are not aware) along with Mr Collett on their trip to the USA last year (why Collett needed to be there is beyond me, but there you go) and for disagreeing with Kevin Scott after he was insulting all and sundry.

The BNP forum is about as acquainted with the concept of free speech as Soviet Russia was.

London nationalist said...

Richard Barnbrook said: "I urge the people behind this blog to stop what they are doing and think about what it is doing to the party." What it is doing to his chances of getting elected to the London Assembly more like.

Barnbrook has distinguished himself with his noticeably slurred speeches to branch meetings and by making a jackass of himself month after month in Barking and Dagenham council meetings. He mostly talks nonsense, such as when he referred to the party's successes in Oldham on BNPtv. What successes in Oldham? The party has consistently thrown away all its chances there.

What worries him now is that he won't get the full backing of London BNP to get elected to the London Assembly. And more than that, now that Eddy Butler has withdrawn from local activity, party activity in London could end up being run by Tony Lecomber, who hate's Barnbrook's guts.

Barnbrook thinks he is god's gift to the BNP as he runs the largest BNP council group in the country, disunited though it is, with most members doing as little as possible. But don't forget that Barnbrook's nomination papers were fraudulent, renting an uninhabitable flat so he could put himself on the electoral register a few days before nominations closed, even though he did not actually live in the borough. If you don't believe it, look at his profile on londonbnp in which he says: "My voluntary work has also taken me onto the streets and I am a Streetleader for my local Council, which involves removing graffiti, antisocial behaviour and other forms of vandalism from South East London". He's talking about Lewisham, not Barking and Dagenham, which is north of the river.

The Green Arrow said...

Let me honest. I do not like the way things of been done on either side.

I am no flunky of anyone, despite what people think.

All I know is that we cannot afford to be divided. We must be bigger than big in this. Our Country is at stake.

Those who would seek to prevent a dialogue between the two sides are our true enemies.

Let us at least try talking first.

But if we can resolve our problems then there must be no recriminations. When you have a fight with a friend or brother over a disagreement and it is over. It is over. You shake hands and stand united.

Do not let the anons drive a bigger wedge between us. There are friends on both sides who are still friends and will always be friends.

But I would prefer us to be comrades in arms again.

Come on you anon dividers lets have it.

Bill Henderson said...

millie a dit...

Well,
I resigned as a moderator on the B.N.P.forum yesterday and found out a few hours ago that I haven't just been suspended from the forum.I have been banned for life.
I thought thet free speech was something we were fighting to keep.
What the hell is going on.


Rolling my eyes, shaking my head

My condolances Millie

RichardWould you like to comment on this little minor annoyance?

Anonymous said...

So Sadie is state because she used to be a hunt sab and a punky anarchist. Thats as stupid as saying Darby is state cos he hasnt got a proper job, was a mate of known state asset, NFs Carmichael and lives a lifestyle that is not commensurate with his earning power.

Cllr Nina Brown said...

Hi Sade, just wanted to pass on this message in public that we have taken several phone calls and emails today from fellow parish councillors. One in particular, has asked me to pass on a message to you to say that since you became Councillor, you have done more for the village in the past few months than any other Councillor in the last 6 years. He says he is 110% behind your decision and actions and that our local community is too. Keep strong mate.

East Midlands Nationalist said...

Agree on the BNP is our only hope. It take years to get a party noticed and whilst the BNP has some problems 90% of people know who we are.

How many people have heard of the Freedom Party for example.

As the older generation die off the problem that stops this party IMAGE NOT POLICES will be less of a problem.

Don't agree on Nick Griffin.
A. He has an image problem that will never go.

B. Appointments of certain people over years is a real problem.

C. Most important the issue over bugging and security entering a members house. No party can have a leader who thinks that is acceptable and he does by allowing Darby to blog on the issue.

st george said...

Richard, this is becoming repetitive, the blog would not even exist if Nick had acted correctly and a lot earlier. He chose to attack those who were trying to make a strong point and blundered headlong in. He is to blame for the understandable pressure you now find yourself under. But whether the crap hits the fan now or further down the line when you may have more to lose is in Nicks hands. I think he has surrounded himself with 'yes men' they are idiots and not the right people. They are not acting in the interests of the party and will soon be running around like headless chickens. I can appreciate your sentiment with all the work that has been put into B&D but how do you think the expelled, sacked and betrayed members feel? To work long and hard for many years and get slapped in the face for your efforts is not a recipe for cohesion. And by the way, don't tell Nick to get Collett & co out for the sake of the party because he'll sack you as well. Nick has made an arse of himself, end of subject...

Cllr Nina Brown said...

The East Midlands gained another Parish Councillor today. They have now also gone "Independent."

Anonymous said...

For those who have sanctioned, carried out and subsequently released in to the public domain, illegal surveillance.

These actions are illegal and can carry a two year prison sentence.

The entire piece of legislation (Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act 2000) can be found at http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000023_en_1

The specific parts of the act that have been breeched are:

Person sanctioning and carrying out surveillance: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000023_en_2#pt1-ch1-pb1-l1g1

Person releasing in the public domain: http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/ukpga_20000023_en_3#pt1-ch1-pb4-l1g19

I'm not even going in to the human rights act.

Bill Henderson said...

From Stormfront Poll

Collet should, with respect to the BNP

leave on his own accord 10 22.73%
be kicked out 29 65.91%
stay in party 5 11.36%

Mike Clarke Ex-Ashfield said...

Enough is Enough

Please do not allow reds posing as nationalists to drag your site down by attacking people who are not involved in this dispute.
Its good to see you will not allow posts calling for a new party.
But when this is all over, I hope that early in the New Year we will ALL be fighting and helping Richard Barnbrook and London to victory.
Allowing people to discredit him on here does nobody any good whatsoever.

stgeorge said...

Richard, I wondered when we would hear from someone from this neck of the woods and disappointed although understandable that you are thinking of yourself only. That big prize could be yours and your personal ambitions fulfilled. This entire mess came about because Nick did not have the 'vision, to address real concerns of his people. He gave the blog details out, he tried to crucify and extinguish a solid core of dedicated good people in a blunt public execution without due process. These folks have been betrayed in a spiteful, public manner and were not expected to defend themselves.Theylgixsla have pounded streets, addressed a handful of people in damp rooms. Driven miles to the back of beyond because they were dedicated to the Nationalist cause. For their future and generations to come. This is not bickering, they have been hurt, bewildered by the actions of their Chairman. This man has no vision or he would have seen this coming. I do so need the Nationalist spirit to flourish. What is there, if not - a fearful outcome for my country.

Anonymous said...

Well said Mike ref A London Nationalist. ALN = ANL. Red troll Not ehir best effort a bit too transparent

Lynne said...

the last ST GEORGE post was from Lynne using St Georges computer

Reconquista said...

This really does humiliate the party - talk about missing the point. Jesus Christ, we're looking like amateurs here.

And the list of those abused grows - now the wolves turn on Richard Barnbrook - remind me, how important is London to our SHARED cause?

PERSONALITY POLITICS IS FOR AMATEURS. When when when will you people splitting the party GET THIS SIMPLE POINT? SOON I HOPE.

The cause - the only thing that unites us - is paramount and your duty to it sacrosanct. You have issues WE KNOW YOU HAVE ISSUES for christ's sake but you HAVE TO BE SMART and BIDE YOUR TIME.

Play the game. Play it CLEVERLY. Stamping your feet and banging on about personalities and making them more important than the crucial issues facing all of us RIGHT NOW is not the way smart, astute PROFESSIONALS play this game. When you resort to this you scupper yourselves and your comrades.

NOW THINK OF THIS -

Know your enemy. Rule of war agreed? Who said this:

"Don't kill people. Get them to the point WHERE THEY DO IT THEMSELVES THEN YOU KNOW YOU'VE REALLY WON."

You're being laughed at and your hatred blinds you to it.

Solution? Play him at his own game.

Call for the EGM. Smart players amongst you will GET THE POINT HERE.

But please - don't split the BNP you will destroy the only hope YOU, ME and the future generations have for a BETTER BRITAIN.

That's what matters. Not me, not you, not Mark Collett and not Nick Griffin.

CALL THE EGM AND PLAY SMART.

Give someone enough rope and they will hang themselves.

DON'T LET PERSONALITIES LIKE COLLETT MAKE YOU FALL ON YOUR OWN SWORDS IT'S WHAT HE WANTS.

Together, united by our cause we are unstoppable. We all know this.

One more thing: The main enemy we face is taking a huge step forward this very week. If we take a huge step back we won't have time to recover. We know the war is on NOW we are the ones who can fight it and WIN IT. But not like this.

Csll the EGM it is the only way forward. DO IT NOW and let's get on with it.

Victory is assured but only if we're smart enough to earn it.

Reconquista.

Anonymous said...

Come on Nick sort this out every minute you leave it will just make your creditability as leader deline more

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Anonymous said...

"Has Mark or David ever behaved in such a manner as the people behind this blog has behaved?"

And with that comment, Richard Barnbrook loses all credibility.

I was going to post on here about how Richard should be supported and not dragged into this mess. But clearly he is not smart enough to distinguish between the disgusting arrogance of Collet and the irreparable damage he has done to the party in the past 6 years, along with Hannam's total incompetence of financial business, and a website born out of sheer frustration at Nick Griffin's appaling refusal to discipline party members (Collett, Hannam) for persistently bringing the party into disrepute.

Barnbrook, fuck off.

Anonymous said...

Richard, you just dont get it do you? If Collett and Hannam had behaved in the same way as the people behind the blog, we wouldn't be in this situation.

Anonymous said...

Green arrow said

But I would prefer us to be comrades in arms again.

Come on you anon dividers lets have it.


THE $64 QUESTION IS, CAN NICK BE TRUSTED AGAIN. There is no questioning his Nationalist conviction, that will always shine through, but having to work with him may drive good people away from taking up senior positions they could do standing on their heads. Nick needs to do a lot of repair work if he is to be trusted again, I suppose we must live in hope that time is a healer if there is that much time left.

Anonymous said...

"Has Mark or David ever behaved in such a manner as the people behind this blog has behaved?"

If you read the comments you know the answer Richard, the answer is yes.

Please, make your position clear, is it acceptable to attack young girls, underage girls, with threats and pornography?

Let's be clear on this, you ducked this last time, please answer it this time, is such behavior acceptable?

You might as well answer it here, because finding a way to draw a line under this is a far better solution than you having to answer the same question, when you're running next year, in important elections, when the issue is raised by the media, as it surely will be.

If you don't find it acceptable then say so, because carrying such dead weight into next years elections is the biggest mistake this party could make.

Do you want to stand there, at the height of election time, trying to explain why you thought it was ok to evade the issue, and for the party to protect such people?

I don't think you do, so please, stop ducking the issues, and start answering questions, because your silence is starting to look like full support of such activity, and I sure hope it isn't.

Anonymous said...

"Sadie you know my number. I will call you in the morning I hope that by then either yourself or Matthew will be willing to let me mediate."

The first step in mediation is accepting the truth.

Are you willing to do that now Richard?

You can't come here, ignore the facts, and then play impartial mediator, it just doesn't work that way.

If there is to be a mediator it has to be someone who is honest enough to see the problems on all sides, to see that the behviour of MC and DH has been repeatedly beyond the pale, and that there is no option but to take action against them, whilst also understanding that, and no disrespect is meant here to the creators of this blog, but that their behaviour, whilst well meaning, has perhaps been more disruptive than they intended.

A mediator knows the truth, and takes the position, between the two sides, to negotiate a position of peace, that people can move forward from.

Are you now ready to accept the truth Richard?

You can't be mediator whilst you make statements such as "Has Mark or David ever behaved in such a manner as the people behind this blog has behaved?", if you want to be mediator then you have to be honest and accept that yes, Mark and David have behaved much worse, which is why so many good, hard working, and loyal party members are so upset by this.

It's time for some honesty Richard, it's time for people to accept facts, it's the only way to sort this out.

Anonymous said...

Leicestershire BNP has never had many people with balls that make stand.

Only a few weeks ago Collett spoke at meeting in Leicestershire and everyone treated him like a hero.

Collett is the whole party's problem not just Griffin's because he ruins the image of the party that affects us all.

No it is not just about Collett it is about Griffin surrounding himself with idiots.

Anonymous said...

Griffin has finally cooked his goose and it ain't even Christmas yet


"Labour MP Jon Cruddas will today call on the police to investigate possible illegal acts by the British National Party leadership. It appears that leading officers in the BNP have been secretly recording phone conversations of some of its officials and monitoring their emails. On Saturday 8 December members of the BNP security team also gained access to the house of Sadie Graham, one of Nick Griffin’s critics, and removed personal belongings, including a computer. Sadie Graham is a borough councillor in Broxtowe and much of her council work was on the computer. The BNP leadership have subsequently gone through the computer reading emails and documents, including emails that has arrived since the computer was stolen.

BNP leader Nick Griffin has even boasted about reading these emails on the party website."

Anonymous said...

Reconquitsa....

The "smart" thing would have been to have expelled Collet after Young Nazi and Proud... Or after the sex allegations... Or after the Spence fiasco... Or after the Conference incident...

How many gaffes have there been over how many years and you advise "bide your time"?

Time is running out, that is why for the good of the party we need to get rid of Collett and Hannam now, and get the 2 sides back together.

It isnt bribery it is alerting someone to the sheer walking calamities that are MC and DH.

If we wait much longer they will just have the time to do more damage to the party.

As for doing things the right way, that must also apply to Collett. He had a final written warning along with Hannam and then they unbelievably they did what they did at the conference and still didint get elbowed out. How can that be? Are THEY bribing the party somehow?

Anonymous said...

Interesting to see the well respected John Ryde is now on the list he is also a parish councillor isnt he?

james.e wood. said...

does anyone here know what mark collett is paid by my party please?????

Libertas said...

My comments were deleted, and I won't raise that suggestion again. twenty years ago, perhaps we would have had time to build up a new party. But I have reconsidered - even if it means we have to forgive people who probably don't deserve it, we don't have time for this. I support EiE and their desire to retain Nick, and that, like it or not, the BNP is the only party that can win in time. If Collett and Hannam resign within the next few days, the whole picture could look very different. I think we need to give reconciliation a try. Nick has seen that his tricks won't wash anymore - let's give peace a try now.

Samantha McDermott said...

Anon said
'Leicestershire BNP has never had many people with balls that make stand.'

I notice that you don't have the balls to put your name to what you have put. I would like to see you put that to Geoff!!!

mikeinengland said...

CRUDDAS, is, of course, a known long-term Searchlight supporter and friend of Gable. Mind you, NICK GRIFFIN has managed to undo all the good work entertained by Barnbrook et al by asking his SS goons to steal materials from Sadie's house. That was the mistake that started this all off and under such national scrutiny we see the Griffin Machine just continuing with its rearguard lie action instead of addressing the people and issues concerned.

This is exactly what he has done on six major occasions to my knowledge and the lists of useful, decent activists outside the BNP has never been longer.

Now Griffin has, as stated, hung himself out to dry. The oppo must be thinking it's the next 20 Christmases come early because - instead of addressing Sadie's genuine and heartfelt concerns - Griffin has chosen to lie and, as such, has blown it with a majority of the activists who are more Internet savvy and know what's going on. In this instance, Sadie at least has this blog and others to get her message out.

Could I ask this: WHAT IS YOUR PLAN. Not the details, but the broad brush. Obviously this is a fluid situation - fast-moving - and it is said that you want to "save" the BNP but if Griffin, and I doubt this will happen, gets nicked (pun intended) for authorising criminal activities of the sort he regularly rails about then we'll get Darby or Wingfield and they're his yes men. (Wasn't always that way, was it Martin?)

So the waters muddy further and those of us well-disposed towards the Real BNPers are wondering what's going to happen next.

But it is fair to say that Cruddas intervention will make things very difficult and the blame should be laid absolutely at Griffin's farmhouse door.

Anonymous said...

Hey Millie, at least you got a couple of hours on the forum after you resigned. Within 10 minutes of me posting my resignation on the "mods only" forum (did you see it?) I couldn't access the forum. I only resigned the mod position, I am still a BNP member, for now. I challenge Mr Shapcott (new admin) or any of the mods left, to show me one of my 700 and some posts, that warrants my banning? Go on, I dares ya! LOL
Sammy Shaw

An East Mids Patriot said...

Crud arse is not the aggrieved party and should keep his nose out of BNP affairs and worry about getting the police to investigate his own party's funding crisis.

Sadie, it may be an idea to turn the comments section off on this blog. I don't like to suppress free speech but there are many instances of UAF trolls posing as members on here stiring things up and making the whole issue worse.

Reconquista said...

Libertas

You're talking a lot of sense.

Reconciliation is the only way forward. If we split over these personality issues we allow something that is important on a micro scale to defeat us in our battle with what matters on the macro scale.

Those who are, let's say, "not up to the high standards" this party wants will reap what they sow. It make take time but maybe they are serving a purpose for now.

Unite, call the EGM and let's all stand together and fight for the future of our once great nation. It is under threat like never before and we have to set aside internal issues and face the enemy.

Reconquista.

Anonymous said...

It seems very quiet on here at the moment

Anonymous said...

Peter Pilling and Chris Hill both banned on BNP forum.

What is interesting is that Pilling is Burnley Fundholder and it is the ex Burnley organiser David Shapcott who has banned them both.

Free Speech??

Anonymous said...

Shapcott is one of only two moderators still trying to save Griffin by blocking any critical posts.
He and his stupid allies will soon have no party to moderate, except the thick nerds who believe Griffin's lies about this being a red plot.

Anonymous said...

Leicestershire has few people with any balls?
The meeting that Collett attended was a Charnwood Branch meeting and attracted only 25 members including the organisers and his parents.
Some went along to see what he was really like and some didn't go to see him at all. Others went along to support the branch and help with the finances.
Not exactly an endorsement of Collett.
As for being cowards, presumably that is what having no balls means, we don't use bodyguards and hold public events where people know who we are. We are the respectable face of Nationalism, not the mafia.

Loyal BNP said...

"Anonymous said...
So, Loyal BNP, since when has paedophilia become a "personality flaw?""

I was not on their disciplinary tribunal last year- i understand Steve Blake and Scott McLean were?
Can, therefore, they come on here, and in their own names, explain why a 2 year probation was good enough then- and not now. This isnt about behaviour- it is about personality.

12 December 2007 18:25
Anonymous said...
"
'Extraordinary General Meeting'

It's the type of thing allowed in democratic parties but if held by members of the BNP they would be expelled or beaten up by Griffins best friend, Tony Lecomber."

Actually, there was an AGM about 3weeks ago- a perfect forum for any differences to be aired, and resolved. But rather than air these via the democratic means of the AGM- this blog was set up. Why were these issues not resolved then?

Anonymous said...

Loyal BNP said...
"can they explain why a 2 year probation was good enough then- and not now."

Possibly because with less than a year of the probationary period gobe both had indulged in more idiotic behaviour yet still didnt get sacked so yes it is about BEHAVIOUR.


'Extraordinary General Meeting'

"Actually, there was an AGM about 3weeks ago- a perfect forum for any differences to be aired, and resolved. But rather than air these via the democratic means of the AGM- this blog was set up. Why were these issues not resolved then?"

Because like most AGMs the motions are submitted weeks in advance and lest you forget the latest transgression of their probationary period actually took place at this AGM.

An EGM is for Extra Ordinary events and breaking the probationary period and a final warning must rank as Extra Ordinary if not down right stupid if not both

Anonymous said...

How many moderators have been booted off the forum now?

And who are left apart from Shapcott?

Charnwood nationalist said...

The meeting Mark Collett spoke at Leicestershire had about 25-35 people attend I know I was there.

Some of the speakers there were very poor indeed and most people went to show support for a branch that had not held a meeting for months due to certain problems.

As for people have no balls in Leicestershire I don't agree.

I'm come from just north of Leicester and I have stood for this party more than once and there is a lot more people like me in Leicestershire who now stand.

Many of the candidates who stand in Leicestershire stand in wards that are very multicultural.

Louise said...

Anonymous said...
Good to see the two Scotts of Scarborough on the list.
Looks like a couple more banned from the BNP forum then

Sorry for pasting from another post, but as it concerns me I thought I would :-)

Anon - thanks for your comments. Although I (Louise/AvroYork) am not banned from the BNP Forum (yet) it probably won't be long before I am, with my scathing comments about the new website (the ones that have actually made it past the Mods) and another post which didn't get put on.

I make no secret of my Support for the Real BNP and I am proud to be among their ranks. My Mum feels the same.

As well as resigning the very part time post of Scarborough Secretary, I have also given up as a contributor on the BNP website, a job which I had really enjoyed doing until 9th December, when the website was murdered (in my opinion). I refuse to put my name as a contributor on that website, knowing how it was set up.

I feel that taking a stand and restoring decent hardworking people is worth the sacrifice.

Anonymous said...

copy of previous post.
Start
How many moderators have been booted off the forum now?

And who are left apart from Shapcott?

end
Is David Shapcott, the Ex Burnley Organiser, really a moderator of the BNP forum?
This man is pathetic. A failure--just look at Burnley branch today--and compare it to what it was prior to his becoming the Organiser. But then roumour in the North West says that he has a drinking problem and is a N.G sycophant.( definition : a fawning flatterer) Are we to presume that N.G has brought OUR BNP so low as to appoint such an individual to the position of forum moderator? Are we to understand that David Shapcott and similar people have been given power by N.G to censor our views,feelings, opinions?

Anonymous said...

I was a moderator on the BNP forum many moons ago and was booted off when most of us refused to bow to Barnes's diktats.
I only resigned as a mod...very politely I might add, and before I could blink and turn round I was perma banned with no explanation or a fond goodbye.
Shapcott was banned at the same time, but later went cap in hand back by promising to kneel to the wonderment of Barnes.
I would not have had the stomach for that and as more and more corruption and bad accounting and bad behaviour from those at the top has become apparent I have nearly resigned from the BNP quite a few times.
But ever hopeful that others would see the errors and flaws I have hung on in.
I stood for council in May and we had quite creditable results.
My local branch is brilliant and there are many hardworking activists amongst us.

I noticed Louise's post and wish her well, she may not remember me but we have met quite a few times.

Shapcott has sold his soul and I almost feel sorry for him.
I know him and his wife and always got on well with them but his dictatorial stance in Burnley would be a joke if it wasn't so tragic.
Off topic slightly but :-
Why has NG stated that the auditors 'Silvers and co' advised him to have 'internal surveillance' within the party?
This shadowy surveillance seems to comprise of the South African, Arthur Kemp and one or two other individuals who have backgrounds that the BNP should be keeping well away from.

Ian Dawson is a fantastic, honourable, hardworking man and my support would be with all those who wish to see the British National Party the Best it can be...not the Worst.

North West Member said...

James e wood asked the question below.
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does anyone here know what mark collett is paid by my party please?????

13 December 2007 00:39
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Well, no I do not know James. But I was one of thirty plus members at the North West officials meeting with Griffin on Wednesday 12/12/2007 when we were told that Mark collett is such a good member that he personally subsidises, via his credit card, BNP publications , in financially quite months, to the tune of £5,000 a month. I leave it to you to work out all the possibilities of this statement by N.G.

Anonymous said...

I was a moderator on the BNP forum many moons ago and was booted off when most of us refused to bow to Barnes's diktats.
I only resigned as a mod...very politely I might add, and before I could blink and turn round I was perma banned with no explanation or a fond goodbye.
Shapcott was banned at the same time, but later went cap in hand back by promising to kneel to the wonderment of Barnes.
I would not have had the stomach for that and as more and more corruption and bad accounting and bad behaviour from those at the top has become apparent I have nearly resigned from the BNP quite a few times.
But ever hopeful that others would see the errors and flaws I have hung on in.
I stood for council in May and we had quite creditable results.
My local branch is brilliant and there are many hardworking activists amongst us.

I noticed Louise's post and wish her well, she may not remember me but we have met quite a few times.

Shapcott has sold his soul and I almost feel sorry for him.
I know him and his wife and always got on well with them but his dictatorial stance in Burnley would be a joke if it wasn't so tragic.
Off topic slightly but :-
Why has NG stated that the auditors 'Silvers and co' advised him to have 'internal surveillance' within the party?
This shadowy surveillance seems to comprise of the South African, Arthur Kemp and one or two other individuals who have backgrounds that the BNP should be keeping well away from.

Ian Dawson is a fantastic, honourable, hardworking man and my support would be with all those who wish to see the British National Party the Best it can be...not the Worst.



Hi Sue Kelly of Blackpool!

Bill Henderson said...


Anonymous @ 14 December 2007 13:58

Why has NG stated that the auditors 'Silvers and co' advised him to have 'internal surveillance' within the party?


No firm of Professonal Accountants would advise "Internal Surveillance"

I strongly believe that someone has, either intentionally or through ignorance misinterpreted Internal Audit, a term which is in frequent use in the Accounting Profession.

William E. Henderson, CMA, Canada - Honours
Alberta 1973 Gold Medal Winner
Dominion 1973 Silver Medal Winner

Albion1983 said...

Anonymous said...

Leicestershire BNP has never had many people with balls that make stand.


Rather than making ignorant anonymous comments Leicestershire are doing something positive to try and get the two sides together and bring about some reconciliation.

If only more people would follow their example

James Mills said...

I think that there is a mathematical pattern to Griffin's strategy that has not been understood, or even seen. Please take a closer look at the name list below once again to see where I’m leading with this.

[Doc Edwards, Wendy Russell, Sadie Graham, Kenny Smith, Angela Clarke,
Warren Bennett, Scott McLean, Ian Dawson, Chris Beverley, Steve Blake, etc..]

What these (now ex-party officials) share in common, is that they are all proper Nationalist through and through. These party members have represented what the BNP has publicly stood for, and believed in during the past decade of the BNP’s political campaigning efforts.

Unfortunately; I believe, that Nick wants to progress the party in a direction that would see any would be “Purist-Nationalists” run for the hills by witnessing the introduction of a diverse, select group, of very carefully chosen, [non-nationals] being invited to officially join the BNP taking up high-profile positions effectively helping to re-brand the party in to a less racist, more publicly acceptable, politically correct party. Ultimately, with such a structure in place Nick could then aim to steal 3rd place from the liberal Democrats over the next decade enjoying far wider public support.

Now if I'm right: Collett and co. will very soon be dropped from the party having served their purpose. With the hard core element (the ex-party officials - the resistance) out of the way, Nick can begin to bring about the sweeping changes both he, and Arthur Kemp have been mulling over, and looking for practical solutions to for over a year now.

The flip side to such radical change is that any competent (ex-party-officials) who would want to rejoin a new “publicly acceptable BNP” would, or should, find themselves first in line for re-hiring provided, they could live with, and adapt to an entirely new brand of [BNP].

If, on the other hand I am way off of the mark here, and utterly wrong about my pet theory, I think that the BNP’s current position has become as close as possible to being untenable as you can get, and that if any more damaging in-fighting takes place, the BNP truly does run the risk of disappearing from the face of British politics.